>>ANNOUNCER: TODAY ON THE JOHN ANKERBERG SHOW: EACH FALL MILLIONS OF YOUNG WOMEN ENTER COLLEGE EXPECTING TO EXPERIENCE THE "BEST FOUR YEARS OF THEIR LIFE" YET COLLEGE OFTEN PRESENTS UNEXPECTED CHALLENGES OF DEALING WITH ROOMMATES, FACING THE PRESSURES OF GRADES AND FINANCES, ENCOUNTERING THE PARTY SCENE, AND EXPERIENCING THE LONELINESS OF BEING FAR FROM PARENTS AND FAMILY

ALL OF THESE CAN CAUSE TREMENDOUS STRUGGLES SPIRITUALLY, RECENT SURVEYS REPORT THAT ROUGHLY 70% OF CHRISTIANS WHO GO OFF TO COLLEGE END UP LEAVING THEIR FAITH DURING THEIR FIRST YEAR ON CAMPUS HOW CAN YOU AVOID BECOMING PART OF THIS DISCOURAGING TREND? BESTSELLING AUTHOR HANNA SEYMOUR HAS MENTORED COLLEGE WOMEN FOR OVER A DECADE THROUGH THE VAST ARRAY OF CHALLENGES THEY FACE HER BEST-SELLING BOOK, THE COLLEGE GIRL'S SURVIVAL GUIDE, ANSWERS TO THE TOP 52 CONCERNS SHE HAS RECEIVED FROM COLLEGE WOMEN ABOUT ROOMMATE DRAMAS, BOYFRIEND TROUBLES, CHOOSING A MAJOR, BALANCING FAMILY AND SCHOOL LIFE, SEXUAL ASSAULTS AND MUCH MORE WHILE COLLEGE IS FAR FROM THE EASIEST FOUR YEARS OF YOUR LIFE, THEY WILL BE SOME OF THE MOST FORMATIVE YEARS OF YOUR ADULT LIFE

YOU WILL DECIDE WHO YOU ARE, WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN, AND WHAT YOU DO WITH IT ALL IN THIS SERIES, HANNA SEYMOUR AND MICHELLE ANKERBERG JOIN ME FOR AN INSIGHTFUL DISCUSSION REGARDING WHAT IT TAKES TO HANDLE THE UNEXPECTED CHALLENGES AND PRESSURES OF COLLEGE LIFE THEIR WORDS ARE VITAL FOR ANY WOMAN ALREADY IN COLLEGE OR THOSE HEADING TO COLLEGE THIS FALL SO JOIN US FOR TODAY'S EDITION OF THE JOHN ANKERBERG SHOW >>JOHN ANKERBERG: WELCOME TO OUR PROGRAM

I'M JOHN ANKERBERG, THANKS FOR JOINING ME TODAY I AM SO LUCKY TO HAVE HANNA SEYMOUR AS MY GUEST TODAY SHE HAS WRITTEN THIS BOOK, THE COLLEGE GIRL'S SURVIVAL GUIDE THIS THING IS FLYING OFF THE SHELVES FASTER THAN THEY CAN GET THEM SHE WENT ON FOX NEWS AND WHILE SHE WAS ON FOX NEWS THEY PUT UP THE NUMBER FOR AMAZON

AND AMAZON SOLD OUT BEFORE THE INTERVIEW WAS OVER AND HAD TO CALL PEOPLE BACK NOW, NEIGHBORS, THAT'S WHAT YOU CALL A GOOD SELLING BOOK WHY IS THIS BOOK SO POPULAR? SHE'S TALKING ABOUT THE 52 CONCERNS THAT COLLEGE WOMEN HAVE, ALRIGHT SHE HAS WORKED WITH COLLEGE WOMEN FOR OVER TEN YEARS SHE'S BEEN AN RA IN SOME OF THESE UNIVERSITIES

SHE'S HAD A WHOLE DORM FLOOR OF KIDS, OF WOMEN, THAT SHE HAS HAD TO WATCH OVER SHE'S BEEN THE BOSS SHE'S BEEN THE COUNSELOR SHE'S BEEN THE MOTHER SHE'S BEEN THE POLICEMAN

SHE'S BEEN THE WHOLE THING TO THEM SHE'S SEEN IT ALL, HEARD IT ALL, AND SHE'S PUT THE 52 MAJOR CONCERNS INTO THIS BOOK AND THAT'S WHY I WANTED HER TO COME TODAY, AND I'M LUCKY TO HAVE HER, OKAY? AND ALONG WITH HANNA WE'VE GOT MY DAUGHTER MICHELLE, BECAUSE I THOUGHT, I NEED HELP THIS IS A WOMAN-TO-WOMAN CONVERSATION AND SO, MICHELLE HAS GONE TO COLLEGE, AND MANY OF THE EXPERIENCES THAT HANNA HAS TALKED ABOUT IN THIS BOOK, MICHELLE HAS GONE THROUGH AS WELL

I'M GOING TO TAKE THE FIRST QUESTION THOUGH, GUYS I'M GOING TO GET IN HERE QUICK, OKAY? THIS HAPPENS SO MUCH TODAY IN OUR SOCIETY ON THE COLLEGE CAMPUS, OKAY A GIRL WROTE YOU AND SAID, "HANNA, I'VE FALLEN INTO THE 'FRIENDS WITH BENEFITS' ZONE" SHE SAID, "A FEW MONTHS AGO I FELL INTO THE FRIENDS WITH BENEFITS ZONE WITH A NEW GUY NOW I'VE FALLEN FOR HIM AND WE SPEND ALL OUR TIME TOGETHER

AND WHEN I BRING UP DATING," I LOVE THIS ONE, "HE SAYS HE'S NOT READY TO COMMIT HE SAYS HE NEEDS MORE TIME TO DECIDE I THINK I LIKE HIM I THINK I LIKE HIM MORE THAN HE LIKES ME AND HE'S CONSTANTLY SENDING ME MIXED SIGNALS

SHOULD I STOP PURSUING HIM AND TELL HIM I DON'T WANT TO BE FRIENDS ANYMORE?" AND I THINK THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF WOMEN LISTENING RIGHT NOW THAT WANT TO HEAR WHAT YOUR ANSWER WAS WHAT DID YOU TELL HER? >>HANNA SEYMOUR: WOMEN CANNOT BE PHYSICALLY INVOLVED WITHOUT ALSO BEING EMOTIONALLY AND MENTALLY INVOLVED GOD HAS WIRED OUR BODY, OUR SOUL, OUR MINDS, ALL OF THOSE THINGS TO WORK TOGETHER AND SO, WHEN WE'RE IN RELATIONSHIPS WHERE WE ARE, YOU KNOW, ZOOMING AHEAD IN ONE LANE, MAYBE IT'S PHYSICAL, MAYBE IT'S EMOTIONAL, EITHER WAY, EVERYTHING IS ENTANGLED SO, YES, IF YOU'RE IN THE FRIENDS WITH BENEFIT ZONE, YOU GOT TO GET OUT OF THAT

STOP IT WALK AWAY YOU DESERVE SO MUCH BETTER THAN THAT THAT GUY, YOU KNOW, I HATE THE SAYING BECAUSE IT'S SO CRASS, BUT IT'S A GOOD SAYING, AND IT'S, WHY BUY THE COW IF YOU CAN GET THE MILK FOR FREE? THAT GUY IS GETTING EVERYTHING HE WANTS WITH ABSOLUTELY NO COMMITMENT ON HIS PART AND YOU DESERVE WAY MORE THAN THAT

SO, IF YOU'RE IN THE FRIENDS WITH BENEFIT ZONE, STOP IT, GET OUT OF IT, AND DEMAND MORE FOR YOURSELF EXPECT MORE FOR YOURSELF >>JOHN: YES MICHELLE? >>MICHELLE ANKERBERG: SINCE THIS IS SUCH A PROBLEM, DID YOU FALL INTO THE FRIENDS WITH BENEFITS ZONE? >>HANNA: I DID NOT IN THE TRADITIONAL SENSE OF PHYSICALLY BEING MORE, BUT I DID ON THE EMOTIONAL SIDE I HAD SEVERAL GUY FRIENDS WHERE EMOTIONALLY IT WAS WAY MORE INVOLVED THAN WHAT JUST A NORMAL PLATONIC GUY-GIRL FRIENDSHIP IS

AND AGAIN, I SEE THAT HAPPENING WAY MORE, MAYBE NOT MORE THAN THE PHYSICAL, BUT EITHER WAY THE LINES ARE JUST GETTING BLURRED ALL THE TIME AND SO TO THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW DO I PROTECT MYSELF AND HAVE HEALTHY, WONDERFUL, PLATONIC RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE OPPOSITE SEX? I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT BUT IF YOU FEEL LIKE THE LINES ARE GETTING BLURRED OR GOING WAY BEYOND WHAT THEY SHOULD BE IN A FRIENDSHIP RELATIONSHIP, IT'S TIME TO STOP AND GET OUT >>JOHN: ONE OF THE COMMON CONCERNS THAT COLLEGE WOMEN HAVE THAT YOU PUT IN THE BOOK IS THAT THE GUY SAYS TO THEM THEY NEED MORE TIME TO DECIDE EVEN AFTER THEY'VE GOTTEN THE BENEFITS, OKAY >>HANNA: YES

>>JOHN: AND YOU'VE GIVEN THEM GREAT ADVICE WHETHER THEY'VE GOTTEN THE BENEFITS, WHETHER THEY'VE HAD SEX WITH THEM, WHETHER WHATEVER IT IS THE GUY'S EXCUSE IS, "I CAN'T MAKE A COMMITMENT TO YOU BECAUSE I NEED A LITTLE MORE TIME

" >>HANNA: I HAVE A VERY DISTINCT MEMORY IT WAS, IT WAS AFTER COLLEGE I WAS PROBABLY, I DON'T KNOW, STILL EARLY TWENTIES A GREAT GUY FRIEND OF MINE TELLING ME, YOU KNOW, I THINK "I THINK WE COULD DATE AND GET MARRIED, BUT THE TIMING'S NOT RIGHT THE TIMING'S NOT RIGHT

" AND I REMEMBER IN THAT MOMENT JUST IMMEDIATELY HEARING IN THE BACK OF MY HEAD, "IF YOU'RE TELLING ME THE TIMING'S NOT RIGHT WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME IS NO" THAT'S WHAT THAT MEANS THAT IS NOT, >>MICHELLE: RIGHT >>HANNA: BUT I THINK MEN USE THAT A LOT AS A MAYBE THEY'RE TRYING TO BE KIND, OR MAYBE THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO KEEP THE DOOR OPEN >>JOHN: RIGHT >>HANNA: BUT EITHER WAY IF THE GUY IS SAYING, "I NEED MORE TIME," OR "IT'S NOT THE RIGHT TIMING," WHAT HE'S SAYING IS, "I DON'T WANT TO BE IN A COMMITTED DATING RELATIONSHIP WITH YOU" >>JOHN: THAT'S RIGHT

>>HANNA: AND AS WOMEN WE NEED TO KNOW THAT SO THAT WHEN THE GUY SAYS IT WE HEAR WHAT HE'S REALLY SAYING, WHICH IS NO, AND WE KNOW TO AGAIN, WALK AWAY >>JOHN: YES YOU SAY DEFINITELY STOP PURSUING THAT GUY >>HANNA: YES >>JOHN: I MEAN, IT'S NOT WISHY-WASHY AT THE POINT

WHY ARE YOU SO STRONG IN JUST SAYING STOP? >>HANNA: WELL, ONE, I THINK THAT MEN SHOULD BE THE ONES TO PURSUE A RELATIONSHIP I THINK ONCE WE ARE IN COMMITTED RELATIONSHIPS, OR MARRIED, OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE THINGS THAT WOMEN HAVE BEEN WIRED TO DO I THINK WOMEN TYPICALLY, STEREOTYPICALLY, ARE BETTER AT THE RELATIONAL ASPECT, AT COMMUNICATING, TALKING ABOUT FEELINGS AND I THINK AS A WOMAN OR A WIFE YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF HELP YOUR HUSBAND OR YOUR SIGNIFICANT OTHER IN THAT HOWEVER, IN THE EARLY STAGES WE'VE GOT TO LET GUYS PURSUE WOMEN

BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE ARE GETTING ALL WONKY AND SUDDENLY WOMEN ARE PURSUING, WOMEN ARE THE LEADERS, WOMEN ARE BECOMING THE LEADERS IN THE HOUSEHOLD AND WHILE I AM ALL FOR STRONG, INDEPENDENT FEMALE LEADERSHIP, I MEAN, CLEARLY, I DON'T PERSONALLY SHY AWAY FROM THAT I DO THINK IT'S VITAL AND BIBLICAL THAT MEN ARE THE LEADERS IN THE HOME AND WITH THE FAMILY AND SO, GOING ALL THE WAY BACK TO DATING, YOU MIGHT NOT THINK IT'S A BIG DEAL FOR A GIRL TO PURSUE A GUY

BUT IF WE'RE STARTING DOWN THAT PATH, IT'S GOING TO BE HARD TO REVERSE THE EFFECTS AND SO I OFTEN TELL GIRLS, BE THE WOMAN THAT ENCOURAGES MEN TO LEAD BUT YOU WANT TO SET HIM UP TO BE A LEADER AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO PURSUE GUYS WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANT BE PURSUING THEM IF THEY'RE SENDING MIXED SIGNALS OR WE'RE IN THE FRIENDS WITH BENEFITS ZONE

>>JOHN: ALRIGHT, ANOTHER BIG CONCERN THAT YOU'VE GOT IN YOUR BOOK THAT COLLEGE WOMEN ALL WANT TO KNOW ABOUT, SOME GIRLS ARE CONCERNED THAT THEY SEEM TO KEEP PUSHING PHYSICAL BOUNDARIES MORE AND MORE A GIRL EMAILED YOU AND SAID, "I AM COMPLETELY PLANNING ON SAVING SEX FOR MARRIAGE, BUT, HANNA, IT'S HARD MY BOYFRIEND AND I KEEP PUSHING THE BOUNDARIES FIRST IT WAS REALLY INTENSE MAKE-OUTS; HANDS STARTED GOING EVERYWHERE; CLOTHING HAS STARTED TO COME OFF AND I WON'T GO INTO ANY MORE DETAIL, BUT IT'S GETTING BAD

EVERY TIME IT HAPPENS WE TALK ABOUT IT AFTERWARDS WE SWEAR WE WON'T DO IT AGAIN, BUT IT KEEP HAPPENING HOW DO I GET OUT OF THIS CYCLE?" WHAT DID YOU TELL HER? >>HANNA: BREAK UP WITH HIM >>JOHN: THAT HARD? >>HANNA: HERE'S WHY I SAY THIS TOO OFTEN I SEE YOUNG COUPLES GETTING IN THIS CYCLE

MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, WE TALKED ABOUT STATISTICS IN AN EARLIER EPISODE ONLY ONE IN FOUR GO TO THE SAME COLLEGE AS THEIR SPOUSE THEY MAY NOT EVEN MEET THAT ONE IN FOUR SO, STATISTICS ARE LOW THAT YOU'RE DATING YOUR FUTURE SPOUSE IN COLLEGE THE BEST WAY TO GET OUT OF THAT CYCLE IS TO BREAK UP

BECAUSE REALLY HERE'S A BIGGER QUESTION THAT'S GOING ON AND I CAN SAY THIS BECAUSE THIS WAS PART OF MY PERSONAL STORY I WAS DATING A GUY IN COLLEGE PHYSICAL BOUNDARIES KEPT GETTING PUSHED REALLY UPSET ME; IT DIDN'T REALLY UPSET HIM

HE WANTED TO SAVE SEX FOR MARRIAGE, BUT NOT FOR ANY SORT OF SPIRITUAL REASON, REALLY FOR THE IMMEDIATE IMPACT OF DIDN'T WANT TO GET A GIRL PREGNANT DIDN'T WANT TO GET STD'S THAT KIND OF THING >>JOHN: RIGHT >>HANNA: AND WHAT THAT SHOULD HAVE TOLD ME WAS THAT HE AND I WERE NOT ON THE SAME PAGE SPIRITUALLY

>>JOHN: RIGHT >>HANNA: I WANTED TO BE DATING A GUY THAT WAS TRYING TO PURSUE THE LORD IN EVERY ASPECT OF HIS LIFE, INCLUDING HIS SEX LIFE AND AT THAT POINT IN OUR LIVES THAT MEANT PURITY THAT MEANT ABSTAINING FROM SEXUAL IMMORALITY AND SO, MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THERE'S EXCEPTIONS, I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE TO BREAK UP WITH THEM, WHATEVER, AND THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT WE CAN PUT IN PLACE TO HELP WITH ACCOUNTABILITY

BUT MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, I THINK WHEN WOMEN ARE IN THAT SITUATION, THEY WANT OUT AND THEY NEED TO HEAR AND BE GIVEN PERMISSION YOU CAN BREAK UP WITH HIM IT'S OKAY TO WALK AWAY FROM THIS >>MICHELLE: IF YOU DON'T BREAK UP IN THAT SITUATION THEN HOW WOULD YOU ADVISE GIRLS TO STOP? YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU NOT BREAK THOSE BOUNDARIES? >>HANNA: YES

SO, NUMBER ONE, I SAY TELL YOUR ROOMMATES YOU USUALLY HAVE ROOMMATES IN COLLEGE YOU'RE USUALLY NOT LIVING ALONE AND SO, THE FOLKS THAT LIVE WITH YOU CAN BE SO HELPFUL IN THAT AREA I HAD A GREAT GIRLFRIEND AND ROOMMATE WHO WE DID THIS FOR

AND WE KNEW WHEN SHE WAS ON A DATE WITH HER BOYFRIEND IF IT WAS PAST LIKE 10 PM WE'D GIVE HER A RING "HEY, HOW ARE YOU GUYS DOING?" YOU KNOW AND SOMETIMES THE ANSWER WAS, "WE'RE DOING

WE'RE FINE WE'RE HANGING OUT DOING WHATEVER" OTHER TIMES IT WAS, "THANKS SO MUCH FOR CALLING

WE'RE COMING HOME," YOU KNOW AND THEY KNEW THEY COULD COME BACK AND HANG OUT WITH US BUT THAT BUILT AN ACCOUNTABILITY WITH A ROOMMATE, A PEER BUILD AN ACCOUNTABILITY WITH SOMEONE THAT'S OLDER THAN YOU IT'S EASIER TO TELL YOUR FRIENDS, YOUR ROOMMATE, "HEY, WE MESSED UP AGAIN LAST NIGHT," BLAH, BLAH, BLAH

>>MICHELLE: RIGHT >>HANNA: IT'S HARDER WHEN IT IS A YOUTH LEADER, YOUR SMALL GROUP LEADER, A PASTOR, WHATEVER >>MICHELLE: RIGHT, RIGHT >>HANNA: IT'S, IT'S JUST, JUST A LITTLE MORE TOUCHY SO, FIND AN ADULT THAT YOU TRUST THAT WANTS TO HELP YOU WITH THAT ACCOUNTABILITY

AND BIG TIME PRAY ABOUT IT WITH EACH OTHER MY HUSBAND AND I DID THIS WHEN WE WERE ENGAGED WE WOULD PRAY, "GOD, I MEAN, WE KNOW YOU CARE ABOUT OUR SEX LIFE HELP US BE HOLY SPIRIT-MINDED AND NOT FLESH-MINDED HELP US LOVE EACH OTHER RIGHT NOW

THE BEST WAY WE CAN LOVE EACH OTHER IS TO HELP KEEP EACH OTHER PURE AND TO NOT HAVE SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE" SO, PRAYING ABOUT IT TOGETHER I THINK JUST HELPS TRANSFORM OUR MINDS IT REMINDS US THAT WE'VE GOT TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE >>MICHELLE: RIGHT, AND COMMUNICATING THAT TO EACH OTHER >>HANNA: YES

>>MICHELLE: THIS IS WHAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE ARE ALL SINNERS AND WE ALL HAVE THAT FLESHLY DESIRE >>JOHN: YES IN OUR SOCIETY TODAY WE'VE GOT CHRISTIAN AND NON-CHRISTIAN WOMEN THAT ARE WATCHING US, OKAY? SOME OF THESE WOMEN HAVE GRADUATED FROM HIGH SCHOOL AND ARE GOING INTO COLLEGE, SO THEY'RE JUST HITTING IT AND I'M INTERESTED IN THEIR THINKING SOME WOMEN ARE IN COLLEGE; THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR ONE, TWO, THREE YEARS AND I'M INTERESTED IN THEIR THINKING

AND THE QUESTION IS THIS DO YOU THINK THAT COMING IN, BEFORE THEY CAME IN, OR WHEN THEY WERE IN, IN THEIR MIND THEY HAD ACTUALLY MADE THE DECISION THAT THEY ACTUALLY WANT TO SAVE SEX FOR MARRIAGE? OR HAVE THEY JUST BLOWN THAT OFF AND IT'S, OR IT'S A NEBULOUS THING? WHERE ARE THEY AT IN THEIR HEAD? OKAY, AND, MICHELLE, YOU'VE GOT AN EMAIL THAT HANNA GOT WHERE A GIRL SUCCINCTLY PUT IT, WHERE I WANT TO TALK ABOUT RIGHT NOW >>MICHELLE ANKERBERG:YES WHAT SHE ASKED YOU WAS THIS QUESTION: "I WAS RAISED IN A CHRISTIAN HOME IN A CHURCH THAT PREACHES THAT HAVING SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE IS A SIN I UNDERSTAND THAT THE BIBLE SAYS THAT, BUT IT SEEMS OUTDATED

WHAT'S SO WRONG WITH HAVING SEX IF YOU'RE IN A COMMITTED RELATIONSHIP WITH SOMEONE THAT YOU LOVE?" HOW WOULD YOU ANSWER THAT? >>HANNA SEYMOUR: DO YOU THINK THAT GOD CARES ABOUT YOUR SEX LIFE? I THINK FOR MOST PEOPLE THAT IS A RATHER SHOCKING QUESTION >>JOHN: YES, THEY'VE NEVER EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT IT >>HANNA: YES WE THINK, WE CERTAINLY KNOW THAT GOD CARES ABOUT OUR RELATIONSHIPS, OUR FAMILY RELATIONSHIPS, MAYBE HE CARES ABOUT OUR CAREER, YOU KNOW, OUR FINANCES, WHATEVER BUT FOR SOME REASON IN OUR CULTURE WE HAVE THIS CRAZY IDEA THAT WE AS HUMANS INVENTED SEX YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS OUR THING BUT REALLY, WE KNOW THAT GOD CREATED SEX

AND IF GOD CARES ABOUT EVERY ASPECT OF YOUR LIFE, THEN CERTAINLY HE CARES ABOUT YOUR SEX LIFE AS WELL AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO COME BACK TO, DO WE BELIEVE THAT GOD IS A GOOD GOD? DO WE BELIEVE THAT HE HAS GOOD PLANS FOR US AND THAT HIS WAY TRULY IS THE BEST STORY FOR OUR LIVES? AND IF SO, THAT INCLUDES HIS PLAN FOR SEX IF HE CREATED SEX FOR A MONOGAMOUS MAN AND WOMAN MARRIAGE, AND WITHIN THAT CONFINES THAT IS THE GOODNESS AND GLORY OF WHAT HE CREATED THAT FOR, DO YOU TRUST THAT AND ARE YOU WILLING TO ABIDE BY IT EVEN IF IT JUST DOESN'T EVEN, IF IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO? >>MICHELLE: YES, BUT SO MANY GIRLS WOULD PROBABLY COME TO YOU AND SAY, "BUT, HANNA, THE BIBLE SAYS THAT, BUT WHAT'S SO WRONG WITH IT? I LOVE THIS GUY SO WHY IS THIS, WHY IS THIS A PROBLEM?" >>HANNA: YES I FIND OFTEN THEY'LL SAY, "SHOW ME

SHOW ME EXACTLY WHERE IN THE BIBLE IT SAYS THIS" YOU KNOW, SHOW ME THE VERSE WE CAN DO THAT WE CAN PULL UP A FEW VERSES BUT I'VE FOUND THAT IT'S NOT REALLY A QUESTION OF SHOW IT TO ME IN THE BIBLE

WE'VE GOT A LOT OF BIGGER ISSUES GOING ON WHEN WE HEAR OURSELVES SAYING, "I KNOW THE BIBLE SAYS THIS BUT," OR "I KNOW GOD WANTS THIS FOR OUR LIVES, BUT,

" THE QUESTIONS WE REALLY NEED TO BE ASKING, SO NOT "WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT" OR "PROVE IT TO ME," IS DO I TRUST THAT HE'S A GOOD GOD? DO I TRUST THAT HE HAS GOOD PLANS FOR ME? DO I WANT TO KNOW HIM AND TRULY PLEASE HIM WITH MY LIFE, OR DO I JUST WANT TO LIVE FOR MYSELF? DO I WANT TO BE THE GOD OF MY OWN LIFE, OR AM I COMMITTED TO DYING TO SELF AND ALLOWING GOD TO TRULY BE LORD OVER MY LIFE? SO, I THINK THOSE ARE BIG QUESTIONS AND ALL OF US, IF WE'RE TRULY HONEST ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS, WE MIGHT SAY, YOU KNOW, THE TRUTH IS THAT I WOULD, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO BE THE GOD OF MY OWN LIFE TODAY >>MICHELLE: RIGHT, RIGHT

>>HANNA: OKAY, I MIGHT I MIGHT FEEL THAT IN THIS MOMENT, BUT, I KNOW THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY GOD'S WAY IS WHAT'S BEST FOR ME HE'S WORKING BECAUSE I HAVE CHOSEN TO FOLLOW HIM, HE IS WORKING ALL THINGS OUT FOR MY GOOD AND FOR HIS GLORY

AND I WANT TO LIVE IN THAT CAMP I DON'T WANT TO STRAY AWAY FROM WHAT HIS WILL AND DESIRE IS FOR ME BECAUSE I WANT TO TRY TO DO EVERYTHING I CAN TO BE SMACK CENTER UNDER HIS BLESSING AND HIS DESIGN FOR MY LIFE >>MICHELLE: RIGHT I THINK THAT'S SO KEY

I KNOW MY DAD, HE HAD GIVEN A SERMON A COUPLE YEARS AGO ABOUT MORE OF THE CIRCLE OF YOUR LIFE AND YOU CAN TAKE DIFFERENT AREAS OF YOUR LIFE AND YOU CAN SAY, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S TELEVISION, WHETHER IT'S MOVIES, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, IS THE LORD COMPLETELY IN CONTROL OF THAT ROOM OF YOUR LIFE, YOU KNOW? >>HANNA: YES >>MICHELLE: AND IT GOES FOR THE SAME FOR YOUR SEX LIFE, YOU KNOW AND WHY? BECAUSE YOU'RE GIVING EVERYTHING TO GOD, YOU KNOW, AND LETTING HIM BE LORD OF YOUR LIFE IN EVERY AREA AND HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS

SO, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THAT AS WELL >>JOHN: YES, LET ME JUMP IN HERE THOUGH THE I WANT TO GET TO THIS THING OF, THERE'S A LOT OF COLLEGE WOMEN THAT HAVE WOULD PROBABLY SAY TO YOU RIGHT NOW, "HANNA, THAT'S WHAT I USED TO BELIEVE AND I HAD ALL THE BENEFITS GIVEN AWAY IN FACT, I JUST STRAIGHT OUT HAD SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE I FEEL GUILTY, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT I CAN DO NOW I DON'T FEEL LIKE TALKING TO GOD

I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF HE LOVES ME ANYMORE," YOU KNOW WHAT DO YOU ADVISE THOSE GIRLS THAT SAY, "HEY, I'VE ALREADY BLOWN IT I'VE HAD SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE MANY TIMES WHERE DO I GO NOW?" >>HANNA: SO, FIRST, GOING BACK TO WHAT I SAY OFTEN IN MY BOOK IS, YOU ARE NOT ALONE THERE ARE A LOT OF WOMEN THAT SHARE YOUR STORY

I HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS THAT HAVE THAT EXACT STORY SO, YOU'RE NOT ALONE AND NUMBER TWO, SEX IS NOT THE UNFORGIVABLE SIN >>JOHN: RIGHT >>HANNA: I HAVE SOME ISSUES WITH THE WAY I THINK A LOT OF THE CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY AND CHURCH HAS COMMUNICATED TO MY GENERATION AND YOUNGER ABOUT SAVING SEX FOR MARRIAGE, AND WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DON'T

YOU'VE GIVEN AWAY A GIFT AND IT'S GONE, YOU KNOW ONCE YOU GIVE THAT GUY YOUR YOU KNOW ONCE YOU, ONCE YOU HAVE SEX WITH ONE GUY THEN YOU CAN ONLY GIVE A SWEATER TO NEXT GUY, YOU KNOW

IT'S THIS GIFT TO BE GIVEN, AND THEN IT'S GONE AND I THINK IT'S A POOR ILLUSTRATION THAT HAS HURT WOMEN WHO HAVE A LOT OF SHAME AND GUILT OVER BEING SEXUALLY ACTIVE, AND WHO FEEL LIKE, WELL, WHAT'S DONE IS DONE AND IT DOESN'T MATTER AND THE TRUTH IS THAT GOD DOES NOT JUDGE YOU TODAY ON YOUR PAST SIN IF YOU HAVE ASKED FOR HIS FORGIVENESS HE HAS REMOVED YOUR SIN AS FAR AS THE EAST IS FROM THE WEST YOU ARE CLEAN

YOU ARE PURE BECAUSE OF CHRIST'S BLOOD, WHAT JESUS HAS DONE FOR YOU AND YOU CAN WALK FORWARD IN A STORY OF REDEMPTION SO, IF YOU CHOOSE TODAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, I WANT TO LIVE GOD'S WAY; I DON'T WANT TO BE SEXUALLY ACTIVE ANYMORE UNTIL I'M MARRIED, OKAY; LET'S CLOSE THAT CHAPTER LET'S FIND SOME THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO HELP KEEP US ACCOUNTABLE AND LIVING IN THAT DIRECTION BUT GOD IS PLEASED AND DELIGHTED IN YOU

AND THIS PAST, IT'S GONE IT'S REMOVED AND I JUST THINK WOMEN NEED TO HEAR OVER AND OVER AND OVER THAT SHAME, THAT GUILT, HE HAS DONE WHAT HE NEEDED TO DO FOR YOU ON THE CROSS AND IT'S FINISHED IT'S OVER >>JOHN: YES

>>HANNA: YOU CAN MOVE ON TOO >>JOHN: HANNA, I WANT TO JUMP IN HERE, OKAY YOU'RE A BEAUTIFUL WOMAN I'M SURE YOU HAD GUYS CHASING YOU ON CAMPUS, ALRIGHT AND I WANT TO KNOW, BECAUSE YOU IN YOUR BOOK, YOU ARE HONEST ENOUGH TO SAY, "LOOK, I GET IT

I WANTED TO HAVE SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE TOO AND I STRUGGLED WITH IT BIG TIME" OKAY, HOW DID YOU CONQUER IT? >>HANNA: BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, JOHN, IT'S A HEART ISSUE IT'S NOT A "MY BODY MY RIGHTS" ISSUE AND IF I AM PURSUING CHRIST, IF I DECIDE, OKAY, YES, I WANT TO HAVE SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE

THAT SOUNDS GREAT AND FUN, YOU KNOW, AND ALL OF THAT BUT I'VE CHOSEN TO FOLLOW JESUS I WANT TO KNOW HIM I WANT TO LOVE HIM DEEPLY, WHICH MEANS I OBEY HIM IF I CHASE AFTER HIM MORE, THOSE OTHER WANTS AND NEEDS, WHETHER IT'S SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE, OR DRINKING, OR WHATEVER, THEY'RE GOING TO LESSEN IN CONTRAST TO MY LOVE AND PURSUIT OF CHRIST

IF I'M SPENDING TIME IN HIS WORD, SPENDING TIME IN PRAYER, BEING AROUND GOD'S PEOPLE, ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE GOING TO HELP CULTIVATE AND PUSH MY HEART MORE TOWARDS THE LORD, MORE TOWARDS WHAT GOD WANTS FOR ME AND THESE OTHER THINGS WILL, THEY'LL DIM THEY MAY NOT EVER GO AWAY; THEY MAY STILL BE TEMPTATIONS, BUT THEY'LL AT LEAST FEEL LESS IN THE MAGNITUDE OF YOUR LOVE AND PURSUIT OF CHRIST >>JOHN: YES TWO THINGS AS WE CLOSE

ONE, IF YOU'VE BLOWN IT AND YOU'RE FEELING GUILTY AND YOU FEEL LIKE THE LORD IS FAR AWAY FROM YOU, REMEMBER THIS PROMISE: 1 JOHN 1:9 YOU'VE GOT A LOVING GOD, AND HE SAYS, "IF WE CONFESS OUR SINS HE IS FAITHFUL AND JUST TO FORGIVE US OUR SINS AND TO CLEANSE US FROM ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS," OKAY? SO, GOD SAYS IT'S GONE, ALRIGHT? THEN THERE'S THIS WARNING IN EPHESIANS 5:3-4: "BUT AMONG YOU THERE MUST NOT BE EVEN A HINT OF SEXUAL IMMORALITY, OR OF ANY KIND OF IMPURITY, OR OF GREED, BECAUSE THESE ARE IMPROPER FOR GOD'S HOLY PEOPLE NOR SHOULD THERE BE OBSCENITY, FOOLISH TALK OR COURSE JOKING, WHICH ARE OUT OF PLACE, BUT RATHER THANKSGIVING TO GOD," OKAY? WHO'S MAKING THE DECISIONS IN YOUR LIFE? PUT GOD ON THIS SIDE PUT YOU OVER HERE I'M GOING TO ASK

WHO'S SMARTER, OKAY? WHO SHOULD WE TRUST MORE? WHO LOVES YOU MORE? WHO KNOWS THE FUTURE MORE, OKAY? IF YOU CAN REMEMBER THAT GOD LOVES YOU AND IS WILLING TO LEAD YOU, THEN TRUST HIM TO DO IT, AND IT WILL BE WORTH IT I'M TELLING YOU, I'VE SEEN SO MANY COLLEGE WOMEN THAT HAVE BROKEN GOD'S RULES AND IT HAS AFFECTED THEM THE REST OF THEIR LIVES, OKAY SO, THIS IS NOT A SMALL ISSUE AND SO THERE'S HOPE, AND YET THERE'S THE WARNING WITH IT, OKAY? NEXT WEEK WE'RE GOING TO ANOTHER TOPIC AND THAT IS, WHAT CAN COLLEGE GIRLS DO SO THEY DON'T FALL AWAY FROM THE FAITH? I SAW AN AMAZING STATISTIC THAT 70 PERCENT OF CHRISTIAN WOMEN, OR 70 PERCENT RIGHT ACROSS THE BOARD OF CHRISTIAN KIDS COMING OUT OF CHURCHES, OKAY, GOOD CHRISTIAN CHURCHES, WHEN THEY GET TO COLLEGE 70% OF THEM FALL AWAY FROM THE FAITH 70%

MY QUESTION TO HANNA'S GOING TO BE: HOW CAN A COLLEGE GIRL NOT FALL AWAY FROM THE FAITH GOING TO SCHOOL? OKAY, I HOPE YOU'LL JOIN US NEXT WEEK >>JOHN ANKERBERG: I HOPE YOU'VE ENJOYED TODAY'S PROGRAM FEATURING HANNA SEYMOUR IF SO, YOU'LL WANT TO RECEIVE A COPY OF HER NEW BESTSELLING BOOK FOR YOUNG WOMEN CALLED, THE COLLEGE GIRL'S SURVIVAL GUIDE HANNA'S BEST INSIGHTS ARE IN THIS BOOK INCLUDING ANSWERS TO THE TOP 52 QUESTIONS SHE'S RECEIVED ABOUT ROOMMATES, BOYFRIENDS, CHOOSING A MAJOR, BALANCING FAMILY AND SCHOOL LIFE, SEXUAL ASSAULTS AND MUCH MORE AND YOU CAN REQUEST YOUR COPY OF HER BOOK FOR A GIFT OF ONLY $15

IF YOU WOULD ALSO LIKE TO HAVE A COPY OF TODAY'S TELEVISION PROGRAMS WITH HANNA TO WATCH AGAIN OR SHARE WITH A YOUNG WOMAN ENTERING COLLEGE OR ALREADY IN COLLEGE, YOU CAN RECEIVE ALL 5 TELEVISION PROGRAMS IN OUR SERIES ON DVD IN OUR PROGRAMS, HANNA ADDRESSES THE MISCONCEPTION OF BELIEVING THAT COLLEGE IS THE BEST FOUR YEARS OF YOUR LIFE, OF DEALING WITH ROOMMATES YOU HAVE NEVER MET BEFORE, HANDLING THE STRESS OF COURSEWORK AND CHOOSING OR CHANGING A MAJOR, HOW TO FIND FRIENDS TO HELP YOU GROW IN YOUR FAITH, HOW TO HANDLE THE LONELINESS OF BEING AWAY FROM FAMILY AND FRIENDS, AND THE PROBLEM OF SEXUAL ASSAULTS THE 5 PROGRAMS IN THIS SERIES COME IN A SPECIAL PACKAGE WITH BOTH BLU-RAY AND DVD FORMATS AND INCLUDES A COPY OF HANNA'S BESTSELLING BOOK: THE COLLEGE GIRL'S SURVIVAL GUIDE THEY ARE AVAILABLE TOGETHER FOR A GIFT OF ONLY $64 THEN, ADDITIONAL COPIES OF HER BOOK CAN BE REQUESTED FOR $15 EACH

THEN FINALLY, TO PROTECT YOUR FAITH IN JESUS, I AM ALSO MAKING AVAILABLE TWO IMPORTANT SERIES THAT I'VE RECORDED CALLED "SO YOU DON'T FALL AWAY FROM THE FAITH" AND "QUESTIONS THE WORLD WILL ASK ABOUT YOUR FAITH" THESE PROGRAMS FEATURE ONE OF THE WORLD'S FOREMOST NEW TESTAMENT SCHOLARS AND APOLOGISTS, DR DARRELL BOCK HE ANSWERS THE QUESTIONS: HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THE INFORMATION IN THE NEW TESTAMENT BOOKS CONTAIN THE BEST HISTORICAL EVIDENCE THERE IS FOR WHAT JESUS SAID AND DID? WAS THE MESSAGE JESUS PREACHED, CHANGED OVER TIME BY THE EARLY CHRISTIANS, OR HAS JESUS' MESSAGE REMAINED THE SAME RIGHT DOWN TO OUR DAY? HOW DID THE EARLY CHRISTIANS COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT THE APOSTLE'S BOOKS AND LETTERS WERE TO BE CONSIDERED SCRIPTURE, EQUAL IN AUTHORITY WITH THE OLD TESTAMENT SCRIPTURES? AND WHO DECIDED WHICH BOOKS WOULD BECOME PART OF THE CANON OF SCRIPTURE? AND THEN MY SECOND SERIES WITH DR BOCK IS CALLED "QUESTIONS THE WORLD WILL ASK ABOUT YOUR FAITH

" HERE WE EXPLAIN WHY JESUS NEVER INTENDED FOR ANYONE TO CONCLUDE HE WAS JUST ANOTHER RELIGIOUS LEADER, RATHER, HE WANTED PEOPLE TO KNOW HE WAS GOD IN HUMAN FLESH HOW DO WE KNOW JESUS REALLY ROSE FROM THE DEAD, AND ACTUALLY APPEARED TO OVER FIVE HUNDRED PEOPLE? CAN THE RESURRECTION APPEARANCES BE EXPLAINED AWAY BY DIFFERENT PSYCHOLOGICAL THEORIES TODAY? THESE PROGRAMS WILL HELP YOU REMAIN STRONG IN YOUR FAITH AND PREPARED TO ANSWER QUESTIONS YOUR FRIENDS ON CAMPUS WILL ASK YOU ABOUT JESUS AND YOU CAN REQUEST ALL THREE OF THESE RESOURCES, INCLUDING HANNA SEYMOUR'S BESTSELLING BOOK, THE COLLEGE GIRL'S SURVIVOR GUIDE, OUR 5 PROGRAM DVD SERIES WITH HANNA CALLED "THE COLLEGE GIRL'S SURVIVOR GUIDE", AND THEN OUR 6 PROGRAMS WITH DR DARRELL BOCK ON DVD FOR YOUR GIFT OF ONLY $99 AND YOU MAY REQUEST ALL OF THIS INFORMATION IN THIS SPECIAL PACKAGE RIGHT NOW BY CALLING US AT 1-800-805-3030

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